composition theory

well.. i learned that at school.. but everyone knows that rules have to unfollowed and that a piece of music without any "errors" is shit...

Filmjork' right!

Most interesting trax are those in which unexpected things happen! Now it depends in which register & style of music you're in, but you have to break the rules!

Let yerself being guided by what I call "les heureux accidents", things that happen generally by a mistake you made (with connections, programming or whatever) and: "WOW!!!! that's cool, I'll keep it and follow that new way for my track"!!

See what I mean? ;)

Peace, GriG

only one trick : create your own set of rules.

go dodecaphonism... oops, this one was always created. recreating your total own rules is utopia (or almost nazism like dodecaphonism..), you don't know how much we are tight to the formal tonal world...we are all alienated! (but it's not a bad thing... it's very pleasant for our ears)

ok guys, i know creativity is the best ingredient but it can't hurt to have the 'classic' knowledge hé. when you have a base, you have something to push off from. as an example: experimentalists like stockhausen, cage, varese, etc. were classically trained musicians/composers in the first place.

but unfortunately you cannot learn varèse's knowledge in composition and orchestration in one answer in this topic.....

To play with your heart is more important and more sincere then to play with a set of old rules compiled by men long dead now. Of course you have to adapt to the standards to a certain degree, but making music is like driving a car: first you have to learn how you actually can drive it, but no one can force you to take this or that road...

The only "ingredient" for composition is inspiration, imo And to get inspiration you need to listen to lot of different music styles (i mean other than "electronic based", blues, jazz, rock and all this)... you'll see how numerous the possibilities are and after a while, your brain will create "your" style (i mean what you intent to do, your inner music) by mixing everything you heard before.. Of course you could study "rules" of music creation, but your music may sound a bit artificial..

I understand ftr very well. You have to understand some rules in order to break them. It's easy to yell 'avantgarde' when it is actually ignorance behind fat software. I'd like to know more about it too, especially chords.

Originally posted by : bandarlog

I understand ftr very well. You have to understand some rules in order to break them. It's easy to yell 'avantgarde' when it is actually ignorance behind fat software. I'd like to know more about it too, especially chords. thank you! at last someone who's willing to join this discussion.

have the 'experimentalists' above even listened to the two tracks i posted as examples? i have a style of my own. now i want to learn and make it better.

i mentioned stockhausen and co as an illustration hé. like i'd expect anyone to teach me their art in a forum thread... i'm interested in song composition theory. even cheesy pop song stuff for that matter. just out of curiosity. but the way this thread is going i think i'd rather ask google...