please, new music section!!!!!

elektro house songs are suppose to be posted in housesection,thats what i said,when they created deephouse,then ya have separate elektro house from house,

what i hate most,is that trance is posted in house section,its a totaly other feel,even whith 1element of tranzy tiesto synth in it,it belongs in trance;

just make 1 thing clear,i'm not the admin for elektro,so i'm replying out of understandin and consurn;

just pm me links people,when ya encounter songs that arent proper cataloged ,i take a listen en hop,also for icz material;especialy for icz,time for clean up;and any mod can change genres,just not autorise other genres

i always listen to tracks that need autorisation,so its proper cataloged,i even listen like i use to,to other genres too,just like i did before,but now in a other players,thats the only diffrence;

so to answer your question,does elektrobel need a elektro house section,i dont think so,

but thats not up to me,anyone else has an opinion?

I'm one of the mods of elektro. I haven't encountered doubts about electro vs. electrohouse. More troubles arise between electro and IDM, electronica, breakbeat (now that's a very unclear style if you ask me...)

I always listen too and when I have doubts, I ask for a suggestion from the author him/herself. If it's clear to me in which style a song would fit better, I move it and communicate it to the author.

edit: now wait a minute, hadn't read your whole post there rantferox. Electro is a broad genre and lots of the tunes there are wannabe 8-bit crap tunes which I personnally wouldn't place under electro either. But then again I wouldn't know where to place them. You say too trancey? It's not because there's a unison detuned sawwave in a song that makes it trance. I could easily make the same remarks about other genres too. Some songs just don't fit in these euhm "hokskes" (in dutch).

Listen to modern wannabe c64/80's elektroclash that is played everywhere. Most of the electrosongs that are uploaded ranging from 110-140bpm are attempts to copy this side of electro. it's not my fault that 75% of them suck (sorry to put it so rude).

If you want a electrohouse section, you better make an electro trance, oldskool electro, electroclash and for that matter for example in the goa section a fullon, darktrance and oldskool subsection cause it bothers me too that all of them are "goa". You can keep on dividing in subgenres and sure in the style you like and know most/best it is a pain in the ass not to have subsections.

If you have suggestions about songs you feel offended by their presence in the electro section, let me know or move them yourself no prob.

And last thing: describe what is electro to you. I have certain bpm's, groups, waveforms, samples, vsti's, synths and rythmes in my head which I associate with electro. You too probably (obviously) and probably different ones than I have...

well i agree that the site doesnt really need a new section, and i agree that tracks with a certain feeling - character, whatever it is, should go in the section of the dominant feeling - character of the track as you said. it could avoid the sub genre thingie and too many sections.

and as mod, i wouldnt like someone else to change my choice about a track's genre, so i can understand other mods dont touch the genres wich doesnt belong to them, anyway, its true that you arent the electro mod but here's some exemples coming in the next post of what im talking about

in order of appearance in the forum:

benus - calm bill: 4/4 beat so its not electro, sounds more housey than anything else.

adrenalin - the holy ceremony of mozes: 4/4 beat, see above. sounds a bit minimal no? electro this?

seyn - aluminium: well, surprise, it sounds electro!

vinch - electro nique: techno and trance, more trance than techno. whats electro in this? the 2 note bassline? what about the rest?

vimlar wilson - size ups: its a strange track indeed but electro? breakbreat, rave sounds, but ok lets say we dont count this

appleseed - technologic: 4/4 beat , see first post. house imo with some trance sounds and old house voice

more?

Originally posted by : bandarlog

edit: now wait a minute, hadn't read your whole post there rantferox. Electro is a broad genre and lots of the tunes there are wannabe 8-bit crap tunes which I personnally wouldn't place under electro either. But then again I wouldn't know where to place them. You say too trancey? It's not because there's a unison detuned sawwave in a song that makes it trance. I could easily make the same remarks about other genres too. Some songs just don't fit in these euhm "hokskes" (in dutch).

Listen to modern wannabe c64/80's elektroclash that is played everywhere. Most of the electrosongs that are uploaded ranging from 110-140bpm are attempts to copy this side of electro. it's not my fault that 75% of them suck (sorry to put it so rude).

If you want a electrohouse section, you better make an electro trance, oldskool electro, electroclash and for that matter for example in the goa section a fullon, darktrance and oldskool subsection cause it bothers me too that all of them are "goa". You can keep on dividing in subgenres and sure in the style you like and know most/best it is a pain in the ass not to have subsections.

If you have suggestions about songs you feel offended by their presence in the electro section, let me know or move them yourself no prob.

And last thing: describe what is electro to you. I have certain bpm's, groups, waveforms, samples, vsti's, synths and rythmes in my head which I associate with electro. You too probably (obviously) and probably different ones than I have...

I must say since the modsubforum arose, some mods are irritated very easily on various subjects while I see no complaints from users.

well i dont feel offended or anything, its just very annoying to ear something completely different from what you expect, specially when that happens 80% of the time. it it is not like that in the other genres imo, at least not as much as it is in the electro section.

i agree electro is a broad genre, but new subgenres are more close to house than electro, so they should appear in that section.

about the 8 bit tunes, why not put them in the 8 bit section?

and about sucking, i can agree but then its not the fact that some of them lack skillz wich irritates me, its more the fact that they sound completely different from what electr is. i mean you cant put a 4/4 beat to to a hiphop tune and say its still hiphop, see what i mean? so limits should be put, really, ...

for trance sounds, i know... drexciya used trance sounds in their electro tracks and its classic tunes, so no worries. but its all about the feeling. what i hear is trance feeling on 4/4 beats, where's the funk?

as for the description, i would refer to the wikipedia definition wich is ok for me. with enhancing the fact that it has a syncopated beat and not a 4/4 one, otherwise we would call it techno or house (or trance or whatever) and not electro.

Originally posted by : rantferox

it it is not like that in the other genres imo, at least not as much as it is in the electro section.

no? ok let's start:

dub:

bassmonk - morse dub: no dub rythms, ambient all over the place, trancey sawleads.

A certain color: sidsounds, 'nough said...

Mekas - Purex: acid/industrial/ambient sounds, totally no dub! (good siong though)

Waxx - Chillen burgers: synthy sounds on a hiphop alike beat...

Acid:

kstoned - neuron damage: hardcore beat, no tb-303, soundefx, ambient on a beat, nothing to do with acid...

Just a random pick, I could go on.

Selective perception is what it's called in psychology. You focus on your own genre and you get irritated more quickly than with other genres when something's not right according to your elaborate mind (on this subject).

Originally posted by : bandarlog

Originally posted by : rantferox

it it is not like that in the other genres imo, at least not as much as it is in the electro section.

no? ok let's start:

dub:

bassmonk - morse dub: no dub rythms, ambient all over the place, trancey sawleads.

A certain color: sidsounds, 'nough said...

Mekas - Purex: acid/industrial/ambient sounds, totally no dub! (good siong though)

Waxx - Chillen burgers: synthy sounds on a hiphop alike beat...

Acid:

kstoned - neuron damage: hardcore beat, no tb-303, soundefx, ambient on a beat, nothing to do with acid...

Just a random pick, I could go on.

Selective perception is what it's called in psychology. You focus on your own genre and you get irritated more quickly than with other genres when something's not right according to your elaborate mind (on this subject). well i agree with you.... but shouldnt be the moderation more strict on some aspects then? and in all genres? if something is definately not fitting, i guess it should be moved. and i know there's some weird tunes that cant be classified, like that jazz dub tune wich is fantastic but you cant really put a genre on it coz its a hybrid between the 2.

so what do we do then? let it go?

Originally posted by : rantferox so what do we do then? let it go?

Well, I was actually thinking about the subject some time ago (when I was in doubt). Maybe in the more extreme/difficult cases ask other mods/users in which genre it would fit better? Maybe a new thread only for this?

Cause everyone has got his/her own perception of a genre and like we see here these opinions aren't always alike.

And secondly pm the mod of the genre with a suggestion when something really doesn't fit?

On the other hand: it's not such a big deal to me. A democratic vote on where each bordercase belongs isn't a very efficient way of moderating and authorising imo. if some songs are hard to fit in a genre, let them be...

I think I have a song of about 140bpm in the breakbeat section of which some people said it belonged in the soundtrack section, I totally disagreed with this. So when it's not clear where to put it, leave it up to the authors where they want it to be?

Originally posted by : rantferox btw is the mod a bot who autorize songs without listening to them?

LOL!

-now i really want to know who else is modding the electro-section :)) -

at your marks get set go

btw i make heaps of elektro -roflol-