Thoughts about sampling other tracks

i completely agree... ban all bootlegs... there are enough free/ nonfree samples and vsts to create your own sound. i think as a CC community we have the responsebility to keep it all as clean as possible...

I'm not for that kinda sampling myself...

The samples I use come from speeches ( george bush ) , that guy just asks to be raped, and I love it to cut up his words and make him say things I choose :D

I also use parts that come from old computer games sometimes , dunno if it's legal or not, so if someone here knows, tell me...

Using vocs from other musicians is not cool I think...unles they agree or cooperate actively off course, but I don't think people asked portisheads oppinion ;)

Originally posted by : dtr

i notice that quite some tracks on ebel make use of samples taken from commercial records. eg. the "missy elliot gets it in the ass" track to name an obvious example. but also more subtly as i'm sure i recognized a portishead or lamb sample (not sure which) on the ebel triphop #1 album.

this could be regarded as illegal (it probably is, actually) and immoral. what's you guys' opinion on this?

mmmh what is immoral is to say this without beein sure, without givin a name and show us you got corones loll :)) kiddin

i do not agree. if a sample if well used i dont really care if it comes froma commercial shit. by 'well used ' i mean the producer have to find a new groove a new way to play this sample... Another example, when you think you find some chords on ur keyboard, man, you ca be shure 100 persons play it before you ... so its the same with samples , just put ur feelins on a track with samples and it will be ok, for me :D

And dont forget to ask Georgie for samplin his voice because its exactly the same with Portishead...

Originally posted by : distreality Using vocs from other musicians is not cool I think...unles they agree or cooperate actively off course, but I don't think people asked portisheads oppinion ;)

i don't think Portishead asked Isaac Hayes permission when they sampled - Ike's Rap III for there track Glory Box... its just the same track with an extra beat and vocals.

i think it all depends on what you do with it. if you use a sample in a creative manner... no problem for me.

Ok, in a way I can agree there...

If you manage to do something original with it, why the hell not...

The only danger is that some big producer wants to buy a new rolls royce, and happens to hear up your track, containing a sample out of the last robbie williams crapsong... The thing is that it could endanger ebel and other similar forums, if they are held responsible for the contents of the site...(you know whta those SABAM guys are like...)

So if you really do something creative with it, for me ,it should be no problem... But just putting another beat on something...I dunno... I know that i would consider it a compliment if someone was to remix my tracks... I think if u use samples from someone, you should mention them in the credits of your ( demo ) cd... I'll be thanking georgie for sure ( not sure he wants my thanks for that, but hey... :)) )

Btw Aphone, I promised george a spliff for his vocs.... :D I told him not to smoke when he was in the war room of the pentagon,I guess he was too stoned too understand 8o

I sample all kinds of stuff: idividual drum hits, sometimes a complete drumbreak, funky sounds. I normally don't use melodic motifs, unless it's some sort of remix. If I use a recognisable sample of some other work, I'll mention it, otherwise I leave it out. I think there's no one who's going to hear that a few drum hits in one of my tracks is sampled from a crackling old ccr record.

Sampling other musical pieces isn't bad, just credit the creators if it ends up recognisable in your piece.

Originally posted by : dorkbot i think it all depends on what you do with it. if you use a sample in a creative manner... no problem for me.

i agree - yet i don't consider Vanille Ice alikes as creative, but using samplez can be a great source to different perspectives and new worldz...

i also believe there's a big difference between selling someone else's idea or using (abusing) it as a creative new instrument within a song or track.

in this now computerized world, one can ask what is immoral or not but let's not start burning witches... i'm also guilty...

Notice that nearly EVERY drum sound in ANY drum 'n bass track was sampled from a drum loop of a James Brown tracks.

Drum 'n bass is a scene by the way where it's very common to use samples from other tracks. After all, it's roots lie in the breakbeat scene, where sampling is as common as blinking your eyes.

I don't mind sampling, but do it smart, and make sure you don't get busted. You can alwas morph a sample in such a way it's absolutely unrecognisable anymore. I've done it in a number of tracks of mine myself. But most of the time, I create my own sounds. I only "borrow" when I'm out of ideas, or when I think it fits into the track.

thanks for your opinions guys. btw, i asked the question without giving an opinion.

i don't contest sampling as a creative tool. take a cool sample, mould it with your creativity, all fine. e-musicians have been doing it for decades now (for the good or the bad...). when you do it sources should always be mentioned and if there is commercial profit the legitimate owner should be rewarded, unless it's released under CC licensing that allows it of course. but how about the ebel triphop album then (or any track posted on this site)? these tracks are automatically licensed under CC making the track legally your own. but it contains an "illegal" sample which is not your own. how about that? (again, just raising the question here)

ps: for drum samples which are quite generic i don't think the question is very appropriate

Originally posted by : Sumic

I don't mind sampling, but do it smart, and make sure you don't get busted. You can alwas morph a sample in such a way it's absolutely unrecognisable anymore. I've done it in a number of tracks of mine myself. But most of the time, I create my own sounds. I only "borrow" when I'm out of ideas, or when I think it fits into the track.

kinda agree here... many musicians do it (we don't always know if they paid for it... who'll say?) Check out the songs of the first contest we held here (the Xmas contest not taken in consideration)... some songs used the samples in a recognisable way, some others (like mine... without bragging...) made the samples completely unrecognisable.... There are some many filters, distortions, slicers and other effects you can apply to make it unrecognisable... but then again, why using that sample then... you probably used it because you liked it.

anyway, just be reasonable...