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dude i think you must understand that 95% of e-bel is a lazy couchsittingass people...it's allways easy for eveyone to sit on their couches and talk about beautiful ideas and stuff but there aren't many people from ebel actually doin that stuff...and can i recall you please that i invited you to 1 party at the escalier thingie and the others invited you to the second café central thing and u didn't even bother to show up?

Originally posted by : gozno

dude i think you must understand that 95% of e-bel is a lazy couchsittingass people...it's allways easy for eveyone to sit on their couches and talk about beautiful ideas and stuff but there aren't many people from ebel actually doin that stuff...and can i recall you please that i invited you to 1 party at the escalier thingie and the others invited you to the second café central thing and u didn't even bother to show up

dude, can i recall you that i explained to you that on one occasion my car broke down, and on another one, we where in big shit @ work and i had to stay over ...

can i also recall you that i at least told you a 100 times i was sorry, and would grab the first cummin' occasion to make that up to you?

can i also recall you that this is a motherfucking OFF TOPIC post that has NOTHING to do with the sense of the post, nor with one of them 3 parties i stated,

and for closers, can i recall you PLEASE not to make a fool out of yourself and to shut the hole in your mouth if you got nothin' descent to say

prick

Originally posted by : ELFENKOMMANDO

Originally posted by : gozno

dude i think you must understand that 95% of e-bel is a lazy couchsittingass people...it's allways easy for eveyone to sit on their couches and talk about beautiful ideas and stuff but there aren't many people from ebel actually doin that stuff...and can i recall you please that i invited you to 1 party at the escalier thingie and the others invited you to the second café central thing and u didn't even bother to show up 

dude, can i recall you that i explained to you that on one occasion my car broke down, and on another one, we where in big shit @ work and i had to stay over ...

can i also recall you that i at least told you a 100 times i was sorry, and would grab the first cummin' occasion to make that up to you?

can i also recall you that this is a motherfucking OFF TOPIC post that has NOTHING to do with the sense of the post, nor with one of them 3 parties i stated,

and for closers, can i recall you PLEASE not to make a fool out of yourself and to shut the hole in your mouth if you got nothin' descent to say

prickyeah dude i'm sorry i'm a little bit drunk now trying to ease the hangeover...if you're the admin plz delete the post...

I can understand Elfen here.

But it feels kind of strange to take a shot at them when they're actually doing it right.

So if all upcoming events are promoted this way it's going to be very nice! There have been quite some mistakes in the past, but the promotion for this event is nice. Let's try to do future parties in a similar way!

Cheers 

Originally posted by : gozno

dude i think you must understand that 95% of e-bel is a lazy couchsittingass people...it's allways easy for eveyone to sit on their couches and talk about beautiful ideas and stuff but there aren't many people from ebel actually doin that stuff...

Maybe, but he's right about what he says, and you can hardly count me as a couch-sitter, I have been stating the same thing, and getting the newsletter in both pm and e-mail, seeing a separate post about it by the admin, AND it showing up on the events section while like the ventilot festival where ELFEN played and I busted my butt off for basically getting totally ignored by the head honcho here has completely the same effect on me and pissed me off to no small degree. I mean, ventilot is part of fetes de la musique and had a massive promotion, I never heard of this Garcia thing, it was never discussed, probably someone from that event knows Zark IRL and blammo, instant mass promotion.

I'm terminating all future planned events I had with electrobel, although I do keep my word to the artists themselves promised to play, and I will be gone from electrobel (deleted) in the coming days/weeks. I tried to adress this multiple times 'behind the scenes' and Zark's pertinent silence about the problem and the way he came off today has pushed me over the border of what I've been thinking about for a long time. I love working with most of the artists, but communication with electrobel 'higher ups' is strangely like caring for an autistic little child.

The blah blah from Zark about not receiving news from certain events has really reached it's Zenith. Me, Scootchy, ELFEN and the festival ALL tried to reach him, apparrently; He's just very selective when he's busy. Apparrently this accro event managed to pass under the busy-o-meter.

@Kyran: This kind of behavior has been going on for years. It's not going to go better.

i also have the newsletter for 29-06-2007 ! in my mailbox ! not that am planned to go to the events !

but what me make frustrated is that the mail is send on the same day that the events are happening ?

at 12,41 exact !

what is the logical use then of this newsletter ?

i have fully agreement with elfenkommando and jemenfish statement because they make a lot of work and advertisement about the events ! and even more every day are these guys online to manage the events to go to the right ways ! and these are not the 2 only people here but they are one of the hardworkers on the electrobel event scenes ( most of the users of electrobel dont see this hard working fellows ) i follow up the MOD forum also ! but in background !

with full respect to you 2 !!

Originally posted by : Kyran

I can understand Elfen here.

But it feels kind of strange to take a shot at them when they're actually doing it right.

So if all upcoming events are promoted this way it's going to be very nice! There have been quite some mistakes in the past, but the promotion for this event is nice. Let's try to do future parties in a similar way!

Cheers 
For the first time I received event list in news letter and I thought that was a new feature. It is very good. I think it will be possible for the all events of ebel members. Why Elfencomando became nervous about this I couldn't understand.

Originally posted by : 101sonic For the first time I received event list in news letter and I thought that was a new feature. It is very good. I think it will be possible for the all events of ebel members. Why Elefen became nervous about this I couldn't understand.

101...I think you fail to see it from our point of view and a lot of normal users will also miss all the background info.

The newsletter function has been active sicne quite some time. Any event could have been inserted in there.

The events page has been a page that I have been one of the most vehemently trying to get it there, so we could advertise our parties.

The main point, for me at least and I am presuming ELFEN to some degree since he became entwined: Zark & co. always have said:

'I don't like doing events. I just want to be the webmaster'

Which is fine, so we took care of events. However, if I program, organise, book an event, then what I want, is some communication, and when I get the flyer, the flyer + line-up goes up on the events page.

That doesn't happen. Look at Ventilot festival; Look at the mekitburn festival, do you see any mention now that I deleted my own thread? No. Actually once I do away with the thread about the mekitburn festival, it's like it never existed, because they can't be arsed to promote it.

Electrobel doesn't mention the event anywhere. Neither did it do with ventilot until Scootchy put it on the forum; But festivals don't access the forum. Log out of the site and access it like a visitor, and today you will immediately get linked to the Accro event. That's what they wanted to see for their events. Even a link, a mention, something. The only link there was between those was ME pushing electrobel, them putting the logo on their promotion, and that's it.

I have had remarks from Ventilot and BIFFF that they made promotion and use the electrobel logo while when they surfed to this website, they couldn't find anything about it. Zark was always 'too busy', exams, etc., and anyway, he wanted to just program new features.

Now there is this event in Brussels and there's a newsletter in our pm box, a special mailing (with accompanying colours), a flyer, a news item, a special link on the news item, and ALL artists at this event have been booked in the agenda through 'electrobel'.

Now let me put it this way: I put Elfenkommando on Ventilot festival, or even you at Mekitburn festival. Ventilot festival even explicitly stated on thousands of flyers and posters: 'Electrobel stage + electrobel stand'. Those events have been on the website since MONTHS. If we would want to have even a minor news item, we would have to call, pm, mail, and remind Zark. And hope, pray, grovel and lick his behind he has some of his precious time.

Well, sod that. Look at the events at Kultuurkaffee, it's the only thread I still kept on the forum. Online since early May, international, important names, a large club...do you see a mention anywhere? A flyer on the events page (the postcards have been available since weeks)? Even only the line-up? A news item 'New events!'? No. When my webmaster adapts my own page, that item is going to go from the forum, and then once again, nothing is mentioned in here, and no-one will be the wiser. The only reason those events got linked to electrobel is because I PUSHED electrobel with all those clubs and partners, and it isn't even used, mentioned, respected or appreciated, which makes me realise it's doing more harm also for the name of my organisation, because they blame ME for getting no promo (or people not showing up).

If you want to be a webmaster, and want some other people to run your events, fine, that's what we were doing. But if one event suddenly makes the webmaster go out of his way to code and implement so many things just for the sake of knowing that person, and when we ask be told there's no time for it, AND on top of that when we make a remark about this in the forum for moderators basically either never get an answer or, today, a very disrespectful one for the work we put into this database, that's where I draw the line. Enough is enough. I don't want the same joke to begin once Mekitburn would start printing their posters (A1 size, no less) then start complaining about no electrobel promo. I can already see it happening from a mile away, should I let it.

'S been fun, but I'm not an idiot. Besides I got my own organisation to run. At least there I receive financial money from the government AND people who appreciate the work you put into them.

well, i think there should be more than one admin. each with different tasks. while the mods only take care the ebel-laws, there is still only one zark taking care of everything coping with ebel-promotion, ebel-modification and site-updates. these things should be devided too, since zark ALSO has a life. indeed, myabe he should be more consequent, but i think it's easy to blame it all on zark, because "he's responsible". responsabilities should never come down to only one person. it began by having the moderators, but it should be expanded more, because ebel is growing enormously.

some thing that should be done imho:

• making a ebel-promotion-admin (doing all the newsletters and ebelpromo-stands etc ) -having a second ebel-site-tweaker to solve bugs quicker (for example: the window to post things is still full of bugs (no offense zark)

and that for each country

Its such a shame nobody incl me took this chance of the hard work of Jemenfish... If I read all this it looks like without Jmf ebel is sure not now going to be expanded.. Ebel, like ELFEN sais can grow really big if it wants or can... well now we could a little.. and it gets fucked up (for now)... shame. :(

The idea from firefrog seems a very good future plan in my opinion... But these are prety serious jobs unlike moderation.. The right persons have to be found then. only that way or such a way can ebel grow big imo..VERY BIG

And my point is just that we'r little bit farder away instead of closer... by this big loss.

grtz