mixing tracks

i bet the one responsible for this is a dj who thinks 'red is good!' :P

euhmz ... nice pic :p :))

good to mention it, caus a lot of beginning artists and a lot of ' experienced ' dj's think red is good, and more volume is more quality... obviously that is crap....

what i do is put my master output at -10 db while creating a track... when all is done, i export it like that...

then i use a maximizer or other mastering tool to pull it back up...

why like this : in the first place to create more headroom, so I can do some last minute things with it, and to give the track more breathing space...

i allways limit my final mix at - 0.3 db

it always seemed very logical to me that red's bad baby :D

Originally posted by : cestqui

he bar that represents the sound,doese'nt go up or down,you schould have a nice flowy movement;

totally right. research has been done on this and tracks with a big dynamic variation (very jumpy meters) have more appeal to the human ear than constants. That research was about the potential popularity of music of all kinds.

To say it with a pixies-song: (R)ED IS DEAD

Originally posted by : ELFENKOMMANDO

euhmz ... nice pic :p :))

mmmh... :D (the red cross is neutral and should not be harmed...)

thats interesting advice i havnt had a problem with this but its good to know

Yeah well it's an ongoing discussion with several opinions about this. If you look at the final master wav of contemporary techno/goa/any hard genre, you see that you have 1 big block of music mixed at -0.5dB. If you compare it with for example mozart or jazz, you'll see that this kind of music is mixed at much lower dB and more variation in loudness. This has to do with nowaday standards of mixing and mastering but most of all it's the fault of commerce. labels want their tracks to sound louder than other tracks when played on the radio in order to lift the chances of peole noticing them. The result is that everything 'poppy' or to be played at parties is mastered at the highest possible dB. Add some bozo dj who thinks red is cool for killah set and you get way way too loud and compressed music.

There are some rules for final mixes, like kick and bass together no louder than -5dB. i tend to follow some in order to get a final mix of -3dB and an (when not mastered) average RMS of -12.

k,again..i try to explain,there are people who mix,..and the red stays on top the whole song,take example ..the latest owen song..i started this topic about that track...there's noi doubt about it ya can mix at -0.1 db and goeds down,at lets say -0.5db

but some think,it sounds good,without having a look at the mixeroutput,and the pic i aded,ya can see its a momenttake of the mixer,with the blank eye ya coulde'nt even see it goe down,thats what i'm talkin about inhere the whole time

and bandaralog is wright,take a listen at kate rayans song,its so compressed ,even for a popsong,its today standart,but i have no prob with listening to that on my moni's ,its qualety,and not totaly red all the time...

what can i say more to make you understand :D

cestqui, when discussing this subject you'd better take the graph of a whole wav instead of 1 moment. This way you'll have a much clearer look on what you're arguing, also with -90 to 0dB but of the whole song. What are we discussing again? :))